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Athiest who believes in gay rights.


I have an athiest friend who argues that gay rights are not wrong if both the partners have given their consent and asks me to logically prove it wrong with valid reasons, What reason can I give him, that will answer his question. I can’t say its wrong because Allah says its wrong because he is an athiest, so I have to give him non-religious reason


Waalykum salam

Thank you for your Question

Marriage is meant for a purpose. It is how generations come about and continue. Hence, if there is a physical relation between same sex, just for the superficial lust, the purpose of the entire goal of life isn’t achieved. There will be no life left to look forward to..
Imagine (God forbid), if everyone on earth was no more going to marry the opposite sex!? Is there more logic needed here then!?

It is also important to understand that something that is wrong, is wrong! Even if one is comfortable with it. The comfort does not change the wrong to be right. Like drugs, It may make someone feel very different and probably good (have no idea at all), but that does not justify making drugs good or right.

Either way I’d like you to ponder on the following:

For a general understanding for non-believers:

Sexual interest and practice is some thing private. Needs to be practiced and expressed away from others. Something That does not need announcements and flagging.

It is a social right of every individual to live in a harmonious environment. Hence, those who are practicing OR are for Same sex marriage rights have other motives than that of right of practicing in private. Because, those who are against it have nothing to do with, Or don’t have to know what happens behind the closed doors of an individual.

Therefore, when these traits are brought in the society, then it becomes a social issue and it’s no longer a private one. And since it tramples most people’s peace and harmony, it should not be “practiced” outside (while there is no one doing that openly in public). This again then, brings us to the same point that: then why rant over and chant slogans as to what you do in your bedroom is ok and wish people to recognize that to be ok!??
Why do you want people to say it’s ok to do that in private!?

This has many pondering points, but a few to mention:
1- You know it’s wrong and want to rub it in to make it right
2- There is other motives other than just announcement of your sexual interest.
3- There is an underlying guilt. But if “I”have many supporters, I’ll kill the guilt and get on. (This can also indicate that anything that goes against ones intrinsic nature has a mental pressure on the self. To kill this pressure, legalizing it may bring that mental harmony… “May”!!)


As for believers:

Everyone of us has a load of sins that we carry. We all have flaws. These are between us and our Lord. He may forgive us if we repent over it and go back to Him for protection InshaAllah.

However, having a flaw (in this case meaning a sin) or enjoying doing a sin is a different issue than propagating and legalizing or normalizing it (and in the process encourage others to join).

Allah says in Sura Al-Nur ayah 19:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُحِبُّونَ أَنْ تَشِيعَ الْفَاحِشَةُ فِي الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ ۚ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
Meaning: _Indeed those who want indecency to spread among the faithful—there is a painful punishment for them in the world and the Hereafter, and Allah knows and you do not know._

Allah has been so kind and understanding that He says:
۞ قُلْ يَا عِبَادِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا عَلَىٰ أَنْفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا مِنْ رَحْمَةِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ الذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ

Meaning: _Say [that Allah declares,] ‘O My servants who have committed excesses against their own souls, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed Allah will forgive all sins. Indeed, He is the All-forgiving, the All-merciful._

So, if we keep these two ayahs close to one another, we understand that while one may have sins he can always go back to Allah (az) but when one takes the lead of encouraging others (just like a mini Satan) then he has actually stood against Allah. This will also become a referent of Kibr (which by the way, is a distinctive character of the Almighty)

It’s best if a person took some time to learn more about the self because recognizing the self will bring recognition of Allah (az)
‌‌”من‌عرف نفسه، فقد عرف ربه”

May Allah help us all InshaAllah